[Melon_Farmer]

http://news.bbc.co.u...pur/8326735.stm

So maybe not the 'Emirates-lite' stadium that it first appeared to be?

[Homer]

Melon_Farmer, on 26 October 2009 - 09:17 PM, said:

http://news.bbc.co.u...pur/8326735.stm

So maybe not the 'Emirates-lite' stadium that it first appeared to be?

From www.glory-glory.co.uk forum:

CAPACITY REDUCED TO 56,250



PLANNING APPLICATION SUBMITTED - NEW SINGLE TIER STAND FOR SPURS STADIUM

· Inclusion of new 63 row single-tier stand responds to Club desire to create the most atmospheric stadium in Europe
· Planning application lodged with Haringey Council for a world class stadium, public square, hotel, supermarket, homes and space for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation
· Delivered on the current site and adjacent land, ending concerns about a move out of the Borough with no need for even a temporary move during construction
· Major investment into North Tottenham to provide a huge boost to the area
· A flagship for the wider regeneration of the area


Tottenham Hotspur Football Club today confirmed that the Northumberland Development Project planning application has this week been submitted to the London Borough of Haringey. The move marks a major milestone in the delivery of the Club’s regeneration proposals and the final plans include one further major improvement to the Stadium design – the inclusion of a single tier stand.


Daniel Levy, Chairman of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, said:

“The submission of the application is a hugely important step for the Club.

“This is a multi-million pound investment in the area which brings with it housing, retail, a hotel, a supermarket, expanded community services and jobs and an exceptional public square. We have designed what will be a vibrant area 365 days a year and not a stadium with dead space surrounding it.

“Our desire from the outset has been to create a scheme of major benefit for local people and to deliver the most fan-friendly stadium in Europe.

“The inclusion of a new single tier stand combined with a fantastic stadium design demonstrates our absolute commitment to create the most atmospheric stadium for our supporters.

“Every fan will have an exceptional view of the action and will find themselves closer to the pitch than at any other comparable stadium.

“We have also embraced environmental sustainability as part of the plans, delivering a 40% reduction in carbon emissions against current building regulations which will make it one of the best performing of its kind in the UK.

“Tottenham Hotspur is proud of its roots in Haringey and the Northumberland Development Project will act as a powerful catalyst for the uplift of the wider area. We have had an exceptionally positive response to our consultation activities and I am personally delighted to have reached this stage.”

Stadium Architect David Keirle of KSS, said:

“Throughout the whole design process we have continued to refine the designs to maximise stadium atmosphere, including a reduction in the space allocated to corporate areas in order to deliver the new single tier stand.

“The acoustics will be excellent, with the bowl design helping to reflect sound back onto the pitch whilst the stadium architecture itself responds to the Spurs identity, using flowing lines and a gracefully undulating roof to create a visually stunning building.

“It will be an exceptional place to watch football and a fantastic addition to this part of the High Road.”


Ledley King, Club Captain, said:

“Spurs has been my life - the current matchday atmosphere is unrivalled, it’s electric , players can almost reach out and touch it. The fans have such a key role to play and I’m delighted the new stadium has been designed to maintain that atmosphere. It’s what makes Tottenham Hotspur what it is.”


Andy Anson, Chief Executive of England 2018 Ltd, said:

“Tottenham Hotspur Football Club’s provisional designs for their new stadium are very impressive. Potential England 2018 Host Cities will deliver their final bid submissions to us in November and we fully expect the stadium to be one of those included as a potential host venue for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bid. We wish the club every success with their plans.”


Bernie Kingsley, Chair of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust, said:

“I am delighted that the Club has placed the experience of regular supporters at the top of their agenda and I’m convinced this will be a Stadium of which our supporters will be proud. The single-tier stand in particular, which we requested at the outset, will create an even more intimidating atmosphere for the visiting team. Together with the improved open spaces and modern facilities, this is an exciting time for all Tottenham supporters and the Club and we look forward to moving into our new home.”


David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, said:

“There has been an overwhelmingly positive response to these plans from local people who want Spurs to stay at the heart of the community. There is a real need for the economic boost this scheme will deliver and I believe the Northumberland Development Project will make a dramatic and positive difference to North Tottenham. The new public square in particular has the potential to host a wide variety of events and activities and to create a real buzz on the High Road.”

Lynne Featherstone, MP for Hornsey & Wood Green, said:

“The submission of these plans commits the Club to remaining in Haringey which can only be good news for the Borough. I am particularly pleased to see that the facilities for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation are so central to the application as the impact of their work across Haringey cannot be underestimated.”

Moaz Nanjuwany, Chair of the Tottenham Traders Partnership, said:

“Tottenham Hotspur are part of the lifeblood of this community and so many businesses and traders depend on the economic benefit they provide. The Tottenham Traders are wholeheartedly behind these plans which we hope will lead to more jobs, more business opportunities and more people using local shops and services.

“I also believe the designs themselves will create a much improved local environment which will help lift the wider area. The submission of the application is good news for Tottenham.”

The existing 36,000 capacity stadium has remained unchanged for over a decade and the Club is currently in the position of having over 70,000 registered club members and a waiting list for season tickets of more than 23,000 people. The submission follows extensive pre-application community consultation carried out by the Club which saw 2,500 people pass through the doors of two separate exhibitions and overwhelmingly positive feedback received.

The Northumberland Development Project will represent an investment of hundreds of millions of pounds into North Tottenham, creating new jobs, bringing more spend into the local community and delivering new public open space including a world class new public square.

Haringey Council will now undertake its statutory consultation process before determining the application.

[Edster]

Looking much better han the original Emirates copy, liking the single tier end, its these little differences that can go a long way...

http://www.tottenham...dium261009.html

[South Bank]

Looks intriguing. A nice change to the sweeping bowls with little focal point or imagination, it would look good if it was single tier at the other end as well.

Not 100% sure on how the upper tiers start to go upwards again after the corner.

[Homer]

Edster, on 26 October 2009 - 09:30 PM, said:

Looking much better han the original Emirates copy, liking the single tier end, its these little differences that can go a long way...

In a funny kind of way I'm pleased the capacity has been reduced to 56,250. It would have been childish to sacrifice atmosphere and individuality simply to ensure it exceeded The Emirates. In terms of numbers 3,750 fewer seats out of 60,000 is not so very significant. But if the reduced capacity means stands being that much closer to the pitch, and that a massive Kop stand can be incorporated into the design, then in terms of atmosphere and character it could make all the difference.

[STFC_Gazza]

Cracking stand behind the goal!

[MickyDicky90]

I like it. Would look good. The massive Kop adds a bit more atmosphere to the stadium as well

[CharltonGeorge]

Looks like a great design, but will the lack of a corporate area behind one of the goals lead to even higher ticket prices!?

[hawkeyevigo]

Charlton George,you don't seriously believe the marketing lie that corporate income in anyway helps to cut the prices for the normal punters?The only thing it does is push up the cost of the ground resulting in the need to borrow wast amounts of money which eat up any increase in potential income.Look at the reasonable cost of the new Espanyol ground as compared to the stupid money you have to pay in England.If Liverpool ditched half of the corporate nonsense they could build a reasonably priced 65000 ground without halving to go cap in hand to every bank in the world.
Can anyone explain to me the point of the original Naming Rights Ground photos if a couple of months later they publish these?Will the ground still be built as planned before?

[hotspur1]

hawkeyevigo, on 27 October 2009 - 02:46 PM, said:

Charlton George,you don't seriously believe the marketing lie that corporate income in anyway helps to cut the prices for the normal punters?The only thing it does is push up the cost of the ground resulting in the need to borrow wast amounts of money which eat up any increase in potential income.Look at the reasonable cost of the new Espanyol ground as compared to the stupid money you have to pay in England.If Liverpool ditched half of the corporate nonsense they could build a reasonably priced 65000 ground without halving to go cap in hand to every bank in the world.
Can anyone explain to me the point of the original Naming Rights Ground photos if a couple of months later they publish these?Will the ground still be built as planned before?

The exterior hasnt changed so the 'naming rights' photos are still relevant. The point of the original renders was to indicate what the plans were and to gauge opinion of any interested parties including Spurs supporters. It doesnt seem odd to me that months later they would publish updated pics. Incredibly the club seemed to have listened to what the supporters wanted and changed the plans to include the single tier stand before submitting the planning application. Its a shame that the capacity has been reduced a bit further but you got to admit that most teams would kill for a stadium like this (as long as it was full of course)

[SW6CFC]

Who in their right mind would want to buy a home on the seven sisters road or even stay in a hotel there for that matter, the place & surrounding area is a total cess pit full of criminal immigrants, the ground does look good especially the one tier stand but the club should think again about building homes/hotels there.

Its got to be one of the worst places for gun/drug/gang crime in London.

[Mark_ReadingFC]

Do Spurs expect planning permission to provide any problems or delays? Could the government be called in?

[Alan_S]

If it comes out looking like this then fantastic, some originality in the design and coupled with what is generally a noisy atmosphere at the lane then this looks like a great addition to the premier league, our west london poster above is right though, who in their right mind would want a hotel room on the high road in n17 is beyond me! Lets hope like most stadium projects this doesn't overun or go over budget because it'll be a real shame if Spurs got into financial trouble, honest!

[footloose]

Homer, on 26 October 2009 - 09:47 PM, said:

In a funny kind of way I'm pleased the capacity has been reduced to 56,250. It would have been childish to sacrifice atmosphere and individuality simply to ensure it exceeded The Emirates. In terms of numbers 3,750 fewer seats out of 60,000 is not so very significant. But if the reduced capacity means stands being that much closer to the pitch, and that a massive Kop stand can be incorporated into the design, then in terms of atmosphere and character it could make all the difference.

Its hardly a massive Kop think I read 63 rows thats what 160 x 63 which is about 10,000 excluding any corners. The side stands must be massive though about 18,000 plus.

[Bench]

Its highly commendable Spurs are intending to build this as a statement stand behind the goal showing how they value all of their support as this is long overdue in new stadiums.

Is this going to dramatically add to the building cost or could this stand really be significantly more economic to construct than its neighbours?

[CharltonGeorge]

hawkeyevigo, on 27 October 2009 - 02:46 PM, said:

Charlton George,you don't seriously believe the marketing lie that corporate income in anyway helps to cut the prices for the normal punters?The only thing it does is push up the cost of the ground resulting in the need to borrow wast amounts of money which eat up any increase in potential income.Look at the reasonable cost of the new Espanyol ground as compared to the stupid money you have to pay in England.If Liverpool ditched half of the corporate nonsense they could build a reasonably priced 65000 ground without halving to go cap in hand to every bank in the world.
Can anyone explain to me the point of the original Naming Rights Ground photos if a couple of months later they publish these?Will the ground still be built as planned before?

The corporate income is a way of recovering building costs, the majority of Arsenal's match day revenue comes from corporate entertaining. If the new ground sends the club in to debt who do you think is going to take a hit? The players?!

One of the reason's Everton want a new ground is due to the poor hospitality they can currently offer. They don't eat up increase any increase in potential income.

Building costs in Spain are less than in England and perhaps they don't have the same corporate environment as in England.

[Homer]

Mark_ReadingFC, on 27 October 2009 - 07:09 PM, said:

Do Spurs expect planning permission to provide any problems or delays? Could the government be called in?

It's always possible. But Haringey Council have given enthusiastic support and Spurs have bought up much of the surrounding property so few locals should be negatively affected. It's such a run-down area, this will hopefully give the place a boost and provide much-needed employment opportunities etc

[Homer]

Alan_S, on 27 October 2009 - 09:38 PM, said:

our west london poster above is right though, who in their right mind would want a hotel room on the high road in n17 is beyond me!

Not every visiting fan looking for a bed overnight will know what it's like!

[hotspur1]

Homer, on 29 October 2009 - 01:22 AM, said:

Not every visiting fan looking for a bed overnight will know what it's like!

Is it not feasible that the whole Northumberland project might just do what it says on the tin? Actually regenerate the surrounding area somewhat making the idea of spending a night in the hotel actually slightly more attractive? I know N17 is a hole but whats to be done with changing that? Surely this may go someway to improving the area. Sure it will take years maybe and nobody expects it to suddenly become Knightsbridge....but you got to start somewhere. If Spurs were to be chosen as a world cup venue it might be quite useful to have a hotel there anyway.
As to council approval....Im sure there will be the usual NIMBY protests but I cant see this one not breezing through. Some of the buildings to be knocked down are listed but are also derelict dossers dens....no loss really. Lets face it the only alternative to a resounding yes vote is to have Spurs leave the area in search of a new home...literally leaving nothing left in the borough as the club is their main assett really! The club have been there for 120+ years and so I dont anticipate any resistance from local residents associations or traders.

[CharltonGeorge]

hotspur1, on 29 October 2009 - 12:15 PM, said:

Is it not feasible that the whole Northumberland project might just do what it says on the tin? Actually regenerate the surrounding area somewhat making the idea of spending a night in the hotel actually slightly more attractive? I know N17 is a hole but whats to be done with changing that? Surely this may go someway to improving the area. Sure it will take years maybe and nobody expects it to suddenly become Knightsbridge....but you got to start somewhere. If Spurs were to be chosen as a world cup venue it might be quite useful to have a hotel there anyway.
As to council approval....Im sure there will be the usual NIMBY protests but I cant see this one not breezing through. Some of the buildings to be knocked down are listed but are also derelict dossers dens....no loss really. Lets face it the only alternative to a resounding yes vote is to have Spurs leave the area in search of a new home...literally leaving nothing left in the borough as the club is their main assett really! The club have been there for 120+ years and so I dont anticipate any resistance from local residents associations or traders.

Sadly I don't think anything can regenerate Tottenham and as only 2 grounds are allowed per a city they'll go for the Emirates, larger capacity and better corporate facilities. As I've seen previously I do prefer this ground to the Emirates but money talks.


Also wonder what sort of people will be hanging about on the square.

[Valley of Screams]

OK, nobody will take a holiday in the Spurs hotel, but it's not a bad location for a business hotel, being near the A406 North Circular, there's a lot of light industry in the lea valley area, and it's handy for Ikea!

I'm sure the council will be supportive, Islington made sure Arsenal stayed in the borough, and Haringey won't want the borough's major landmark to leave. Transport may be the slight issue, as (by london standards) it's poorly served by public transport, so perhaps some money to improve the local BR station and (run extra football trains?) will be a requirement?

[hotspur1]

[quote name='CharltonGeorge' date='29 October 2009 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1256818539' post='288684']
Sadly I don't think anything can regenerate Tottenham and as only 2 grounds are allowed per a city they'll go for the Emirates, larger capacity and better corporate facilities. As I've seen previously I do prefer this ground to the Emirates but money talks.


Not sure I totally agree with you there George. Granted the Emirates will have the slightly bigger capacity and a few extra (rather than better) corporate facilties to offer but dont forget Spurs will be able to offer a much newer(10 years younger)facility with all the comforts currently enjoyed by the Emirates crowd (only closer to the action). A week ago it was a no contest but to be fair I think this may be a much closer run thing than previously expected. Mind you since when has anything to do with real football and fans had anything to do with the world cup stadia! Your right money will talk in the end. Maybe by then Spurs will have all the money!

[Edster]

It is worth mentioning that the '2 grounds in one city' rule may very well be abandoned anyway. In a country as small as England it would not really matter that much. I heard rumours of this last year anyway.

[Ste]

hawkeyevigo, on 27 October 2009 - 01:46 PM, said:

Charlton George,you don't seriously believe the marketing lie that corporate income in anyway helps to cut the prices for the normal punters?The only thing it does is push up the cost of the ground resulting in the need to borrow wast amounts of money which eat up any increase in potential income.Look at the reasonable cost of the new Espanyol ground as compared to the stupid money you have to pay in England.If Liverpool ditched half of the corporate nonsense they could build a reasonably priced 65000 ground without halving to go cap in hand to every bank in the world.
Can anyone explain to me the point of the original Naming Rights Ground photos if a couple of months later they publish these?Will the ground still be built as planned before?

You only need to look at the money Arsenal generate to see why so much emphasis is placed on good hospitality suites.

SW6CFC, on 27 October 2009 - 05:51 PM, said:

Who in their right mind would want to buy a home on the seven sisters road or even stay in a hotel there for that matter, the place & surrounding area is a total cess pit full of criminal immigrants, the ground does look good especially the one tier stand but the club should think again about building homes/hotels there.

Its got to be one of the worst places for gun/drug/gang crime in London.

That may be true, but it doesn't mean it can't change, and there's no reason why a new stadium with new facilities won't bring new people into the area. "Build it, and they will come" so to speak.

[Dozzer Cufc]

I like the design, although I'm not sure about the 'Stamford bridge' style bare concrete at the join of the corner down the side. That ruins SB and it'd be a shame for that to happen here.

That's nit-picking though, it certainly seems a fantastic design and I hope it gets built. It would be nice if the ends blended a bit better, but you can't have it all I suppose.

Valley of Screams, on 29 October 2009 - 01:38 PM, said:

it's handy for Ikea!

All you ever see at Tottenham Hale is people with sodding blue Ikea sacks!

[Ste]

I don't know why so many clubs leave concrete exposed, it just looks cheap and scruffy. A bit of paint doesn't cost much.

Places like the liberty stadium are let down by the lack of attention to detail.

[CharltonGeorge]

As you can see from this picture. we've put a red board up to cover the exposed concrete. I've always thought the Chelsea should design a mural to cover the concrete, perhaps a Ken Bates one?!

[Edster]

Bench, on 28 October 2009 - 09:09 AM, said:

Is this going to dramatically add to the building cost or could this stand really be significantly more economic to construct than its neighbours?

That single tier end stand will actually cost a lot less to build, look at it on its own its a simple structure with less engineering.

[year25]

Looks like a nice design but I thought the main reason for rebuilding was because Spurs needed a much bigger stadium?

With the capacity of 56,000 I still feel that Spurs doing similarly to what they've been doing for the last 30 years or so would still not have enough room for everyone wanting to watch home games?

A 70,000 capacity stadium would of been much bette!

[Stockport_Blade]

year25, on 31 October 2009 - 01:12 AM, said:

Looks like a nice design but I thought the main reason for rebuilding was because Spurs needed a much bigger stadium?

With the capacity of 56,000 I still feel that Spurs doing similarly to what they've been doing for the last 30 years or so would still not have enough room for everyone wanting to watch home games?

A 70,000 capacity stadium would of been much bette!

Hmmmmmm, I don't really know a great deal about Spurs hardcore following, but I think doubling the capacity would be too much.

Could Spurs sell 70k against Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U? Yeah, I think they could. Could they sell 70k tickets against Wigan, Blackburn, Stoke, Burnley, etc....? I'd be dubious.